Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Sonia Sodha and London Labour think tank Demos want to introduce forced labour and two tier education system, the BNP will have a field day
















Dear All

The Human Rights Act 1998 guarantees certain rights that the British state must uphold.

Now figures in the Labour Party are backing the violating of human rights of young people by the forming of a ‘civic corps’ after being put forward by think-tank Demos.

The plan is compulsory ‘national service’, in other words, forced labour.

Under the Universal declaration of Human Rights;

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Would this compulsory forced labour be forced on foreign students coming to British Universities or Colleges?

I suspect the answer would be no, so why does Labour think tank Demos which is trying to rebrand itself as a cross party think tank believe that students should be treated differently because of origin?

This is exactly the kind of stupidity that the BNP would seize on to highlight discrimination of indigenous British people.

It is what it is, the stupid small minded politics of the student union.

The scheme has attracted support from people such as David Blunkett and the Government’s higher education minister David Lammy.

Demos see the introduction of forced labour to help ease the burden on public services with people being forced to do a 100 hours compulsory service.

So what punishment would happen if students refused?

Would they be denied the right to education under their article 26 rights?

What about those poor students who are required to support themselves by working?

Are they to be victimised?

Could this by another means of driving the poor working class out of education by using them as forced labour affecting their ability to study?

Demos write on their website;

“Demos is a London-based think tank. We generate ideas to improve politics and policy, and give people more power over their lives. Our vision is a society of free and powerful citizens”.

I think after their forced compulsory labour scheme, we can be pretty certain that they don’t believe in human rights and democracy.

But then they are a London based Labour think tank.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hate to say it but this is real utter jibberish. Please read the report. I don't agree with it at all but its not compulsary and you are just wrong.

G Laird said...

Dear Gaps in

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/6743395/Labour-minister-Students-should-be-forced-to-do-community-service.html

What does University students should be forced to complete 100 hours of community service as part of their degrees under plans endorsed by a Labour minister mean?

Does forced mean compulsory?

The Demos report – Service Nation

The scheme includes introducing “service learning” as a compulsory part of the school curriculum for seven- to 16-year-olds.

Is that forced labour?

Also in the report;

100 hours of compulsory community service for university undergraduates over the course of a three year degree

Is that not in the report?

Are you saying that the Telegraph reporter and the newspaper cannot understand the report?

Look forward to you pointing out the sections were compulsory means non compulsory.

Thanks.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

G Laird said...

Dear Gaps in

Re Labour think tank Demos and its forced labour scheme!

Can you explain why I got it wrong and why others did too;

http://cypnow.co.uk/news/ByDiscipline/Education/972449/Compulsory-community-service-generate-1bn/

What about;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8396234.stm

The University and College Union said that plans to fund a national service-style civilian scheme, paid for by increasing student debt are ludicrous.

Did they also misread the report?

What about Scotland’s leading broadsheet newspaper;

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/forget-booze-and-books-students-now-face-forced-national-service-1.990213

They misread the report too?

http://nus.org.uk/en/News/News/NUS-condemns-Higher-Education-Ministers-outrageous-proposals-to-force-students-to-pay-to-be-punished/

They say the proposals are barmy, what do they mean by that?

Have they misread it?

http://managementtoday.co.uk/channel/HumanCapital/news/972529/bring-back-national-civic-service-says-demos/

They can’t read properly like me either.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article6946140.ece

The Times and some readers not happy too!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2009/12/06/students-should-pay-2-5-interest-115875-21876333/

It seems that everyone can’t read and is so stupid, except you.

How lucky you have appeared, ever thought of standing for Parliament since you are in London?

Finally, forced labour isn’t volunteering!

I have done volunteering and charity work so I know what I am talking about.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Anonymous said...

I hate to rely on the evidence itself rather than newspapers versions of it but here is the exact quote:

There is also a normative argument about whether a form of national civic service should be compulsory. We argue against
a form of national civic service that all young people have to
undertake at a set point in their lives. A culture of service should
be something that is grown organically, not something that is
mandated or demanded of citizens in a top-down dictat from the
state. Yes, if a culture of service is successfully grown, the result will be that service is something that is expected of citizens. But it should be a norm of citizenship, not a requirement.

She does admittedly conclude that 'limited compulsion' (and I accept that is an oxymoron) for students is possible but there is nothing in the report that suggests any inverse racism meaning that British students would be the only ones to do it.

Like I said I find a lot of things in the report that I hate. But its not got anything to do with the BNP...

G Laird said...

Dear Gaps in

Sorry for not replying sooner but I had to talk to some political types.

Thank you addressing my point that the scheme would be compulsory.

You quote the phrase 'limited compulson' that is nonsense by Sodha and you know it.

And I would like to credit you with more intelligence than that to see through it.

You quite rightly highlight that Ms. Sodha doesn't address the race issue.

But it is there, is it a case if she doesn't talk about it, it doesn't exist?

Would foreign students who are buying a service in this case education be required to do forced labour?

I suspect they wouldn't be required because it would be a violation of their human rights and not allowed by the EU.

That being the case, it would only be British students who are required to be part of a forced labour programme.

Since when has forced labour been part of a contract?

Education is run as a private business that has funding from the state.

Would Universities be required by law to state that the cost of a course is X plus 100 hours of forced labour?

The BNP; Sodha gives the BNP cause to raise complaints on behalf of indigenous british people.

Sodha also introduces the concept of a two tier education system those forced into compulsory labour and those who aren't.

The BNP would seize on this to attract votes as them sticking up for the people of Britain.

Finally, I suspect your real issue with my post is not what you stated about compulsion but rather the race issue.

Sodha should have thought-out her idea with more care and attention that she displayed in its delivery.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

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